... A player shouldn't be punished for ...

By NPCs, no.

By that logic, no one forces CCP to implement a game mechanic that logarithmically increases clone costs in relation to trained skill points.

CCP doesn't have to make clone costs rise exponentially; they choose to.

Edit: Okay look, what I'm trying to say is that you're telling is how something should be, without justifying the reasons for it being so. Yes, we choose to train skill points. But how does that have any influence on what clone costs should be?

Why should I be punished for having trained my character?
Fundamentally, what part of that makes any sense?

Risk vs. Reward doesn't scale well

A 200m skillpoint character is not any safer than a 20m skillpoint character and yet has 10x the risk.

Because some people have that many skill points, and even though flying the frigate at maximum ability might at best use a tenth of that, they only have one character, and shouldn't be forced to roll an alt for every single ship type.

Proof we will all eventually fly titans, amirite?

Can you really not make the association that a player training a character might want to use multiple things with that character?

The advantage of what? The vast majority of that SP that they're unable to use?
Furthermore you didn't answer my question.

Okay, well if those consequences were set by a divine power, I would accept your argument. As things are, they're set by this game's developers, and you've still provided no proof of why they should continue to be so severe.

Training your character should not be a poor choice. That's ********.

I did, and so did other people. Go and read the thread again.

There is no advantage.

...It doesn't matter if you have a 40M character or a 250M character, the most you can put to use in a combat cruiser is around 35M...

DIsincentivising the use of small ships by old players is horrible design that has no upsides whatsoever.

So you agree that it's bad design, then. Game content should not be obsoleted by simply playing the game.

The point is: you are clueless about how the game works, so pipe down a bit before trying to dismiss problems with thoughtless platitudes....

No.

It's like saying earning more money is a poor choice because you will have to pay more taxes, and the only way to get around that is either to not earn money (train skill points) or pay taxes (pvp).

How ******* ******** do you have to be to arrive at that kind of conjecture?

Nope. It's the actual argument..

So you agree with everything you were just arguing against.

Okay, I guess I'm going to have to stop flying frigates because I played this game for more than five years.

I fully realize and accept the error of my ways.

IWhy should you be barred from using fun ships just because you've used a single character for a long time?

GǪfor no good reason. Why should it?

Why should it cost more to fly cheaper and weaker ships than stronger, more expensive ones? Where's that risk vs. reward thing you were talking about again?

And as I asked before, why should high clone costs negatively affect the pvpers, but not the miners and mission runners who never lose their pods? If bigger clones need to be more expensive, shouldn't all players be exposed to this sort of "risk?"

CCP should add passive income based on the amount of SP.

Ya know... or just make a flat pod cost. Possibly zero.

How do you justify the difference between my 15M SP FW alt and my 100M+ SP main characters having literally no effective difference? How do you justify 15M SP FW alts straight up outperforming industrialists with 100M+ SP?

-Liang

I am saying it isn't balanced.

...CCP should be out of the clone making business. Let players make clones...

Plenty of other ways to sink ISK. One way to Sink is not have so much coming in, in the first place. But that's another debate.

So, fly more expensive ships, so the balance is improved!

That is a ridiculous comment. I wanna fly any and everything, just because I have a high amount of SP I shouldn't have to give up on flying smaller ships like frigates. Very poor way of looking at things.

So you're saying that a high SP player is making a poor choice when he wants to engage in some t1 frigate pvp? You're saying that high SP players should only fly bling ships, or high SP ships? Not everyone wants to sit in a cap/supercap all day, you know?

No one is whining that it's unfair...

Finally, having a high SP clone doesn't automatically make you 'better' as a lot of misconceptions seem to be propagated on this basis.

I do agree that clone costs SHOULD go up as your SP rises, but as of the current costs, they may be a tad high, but I hear CCP is making changes so we shall see what those bring.

Because developers aren't Gods, and sometimes make mistakes.

That's why we get patches every once in a while.

So, someone points out a game mechanic which might be detrimental to game play, and you disagree by default because there are also crybabys whining on the same topic? ....

Actually, would you mind answering some questions for me, for the sake of discussion?
1. What's your current SP total (on your main/alt whatever)?
2. Do you PVP? If so, where?
2. Why do YOU think the current clone prices should stay as they are?
3. Do you believe that higher SP = richer pilot?

Say the industrialist wanted to try some PVP. What ship should said industrialist fly? A T1 frigate? Bigger? Better?

...So you're telling me this is a more viable choice?...

You do think that pvp is a good thing for this game, right?

Because you make it sound like you don't, what with the whole "well maybe he shouldn't pvp if he thinks clones are too expensive" line of thinking"...

You're saying that the applicable SP caps out, and yes it does. Anything else put on my PVP character is a choice? Ok, so would YOU train up one race of ships, or one class of ships, getting all the support skills to a certain level, then retrain those same skills on a different character, just to fly a difference race or class of ships?...

Being required to buy more accounts doesn't constitute player choice...

... because let's face it, even with three character slots you'll still reach a point where your clones cost sixty million each...

You have been misinformed.

If you exclude capital ships then you're probably looking at around 130mill SP of relevant PvP skills - and that's not maxing everything out.